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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;North American Season/Tournament&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Mole</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-2/?recent=7215#post=7215</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would help get a US scene going as well.

I think your all over-complicating this with idea's of separate leagues, sub-domains, etc etc etc. There is no need. before every season we create the divisions in the system, and then manually seed the teams into their divisions. All we have to do to accommodate an NA league would be to add a division and put the NA teams in there and jobs a good-un! This would not be a big thing to start with and it would be dependant on the NA teams showing interest and supporting it. We would need an admin or two to sign up to help us keep an idea on how its going, someone within the NA scene.

This wont happen though without the support of the teams so if there is enough interest, then get them to sign up and post here in this thread that they would enter their team for an ETF2L based competition. You would be able to play at your own times on your own servers but within our system here. Also if anyone from NA is interested in being an admin for the league then post here also.

I would like to stress that this is just my post. We (ETF2L as a whole) have not even considered hosting an NA competition nor discussed it fully between us. <b>If</b> enough teams and players show interest and support for the idea, then we will look into doing it. But only if everything is right. We're not going to start anything we're not confident will work, as we already maintain enough competitions for the euro side.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:16:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-2/?recent=7215#post=7211</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[you could, and then use etf2l for navigating between the two to keep site hits to a max]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:42:27 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by beta</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-2/?recent=7215#post=7210</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Could you not host another site on a subdomain with only the forums being shared?  You could that way use this site as a template for the other.

As for reaching out to across the pond, good idea it is, original it is not - we firstly need to establish interest from that side of the world.  No offence to the originator of this post but not everyone will find CEVO boring or some of the top US teams would not be playing in it.  Let us hope he is the tip of the iceberg and can spread the word to others??

From there we could look at Champions League etc :)  Winners of each division go into playoffs for a cup or World Series of sort :D

Mike]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:19:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-2/?recent=7215#post=7209</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[The main issue, imo, would be getting the name out there for all the decent teams to sign up, the majority of large league decisions are done by vote systems anyway.

The things would be (imo) :-

Canvassing the idea of running an ETF2L North American Addition

Getting the site ready to handle the large jump in users (and making it easy to switch from the NA scene to the EU scene)

Working out which teams in which division - will need a good, if not, really good USA admin for this. 

Formats the same, cl2 dl1 ml1, just doing votes on the maps in the league.

Probably a few other things to put in there as well, but the options are really good..More users on the site (Sponsers possibly? Would be nice to give you cunts some prizes at some point), a central hub for TF2's main competition(s), check out the yank scene and vice versa, shared demo's, seasonal Champs league style cup between top x amount of teams in each NA and EU division (don't really need a list of the obvious issues for this though.. :P) 

Anyway, my point is, this could work, well :)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:21:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by byte</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7208</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Obvious problem is time diff, but there are enough sad players out there (me included) who have 6 clan members able to play on a friday or saturday night so for pcw's / practices /scrims it would be a good idea. This would happen if as Weqo suggested nowt wrong doing a ETF2L for NA's tbh. Will bring more to the TF2 community and DEFINITELY a different style to TF2 as their map choices and strats are sometimes very diff!

I think it could work just needs a bit of effort :) Don't mind helping too if need be!

Cheers

Byte]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:07:41 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Wlv</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7207</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I agree with weqo, an na version of etf2l is a good idea and it doesn't have to be eu vs USA. Thinks of both communities under one site.. Great potential]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:48:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by weqo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7204</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Answering as a single admin, not as ETF2L.

When that's all cleared, I'm more than ready to help NA build up another big league. ETF2L has always been able to satisfy the majority of our players the league with rules, league system and a simple site. I only see positive things coming out of this, and the discussion about NA playing against european teams can be saved for later.

The coding and such for this site to be able to run several leagues for different regions will of course be a big job but it's not something we would directly turn town.

What I can say right away, however, is that our european admins wont be able to run the league and a new NA admin panel has to be recruited. This because we already has a lot to do, we don't know anything about the community over there and then we have the time difference.

Obviously a lot of things to be discussed before making a decision, so if you're serious about it and can provide us a foot into the NA TF2 community, grab us on irc for further discussion.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:09:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by daf</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7183</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[@ Smofo... they had dl1 a long time before we did.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:37:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by beta</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7169</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What Moose said above is one of the major drawbacks of playing with the guys across the pond.  Especially during mid-week this would be a major problem.

We can't expect people in the USA to play early when we play at our usual time.  So for example, we would take it in turns playing at alternate times, that means for us in Europe as late as 1am games.  For us that work...that's impossible to do except on Friday and Saturday nights (if we aren't out of course)

I think you American guys should contact another organisation, possibly www.esportsea.com I remember them being big for CS 1.6 but maybe they would like to expand?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:08:18 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Moose</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7168</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Ping is not as big of an issue as the time difference is. How many of you would be willing to play matches at 4AM? Pandemic had to play all their EMS matches on early Sunday afternoons, that was late night for us Finns. We have to keep the Euro and NA teams in different leagues because of that.

If there's going to be a new North-American league, it needs to be run by people accross the pond.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:51:57 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Akill</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7140</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[i believe there is a game-oriented isp, i forget its name. However a an american vs euro league could only really be feesible if we capitalized on it. 
The isp in question allows acces to a VPN which is routed through a very efficient and traffic free fibre optic network, which connects various parts of north america together to allow for low pings.

If such an isp where to expand in europe. And it had dealings with competitive league admins. Players could capitalise on such a partnership by having cross continent pro matches through this system. A deal could be possible through sponcorship and advertisement. It could be possible]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:08:32 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Zipok</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7128</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA["organize a league on your side…? Because you
- cant play with “us” anyway
- need to play on your servs anyway…

so… where’s the point in europe “hosting” it? :P"

Perhaps we can forget the idea of Europeans "hosting" the event for the Americans, due to the obvious issues that would appear. Instead, it would perhaps work to get some volunteers from America to organize another league (NATF2L) in the same way ETF2L is organized. Of course, to get the new league running, it would require the approval of both ETF2L and the NA gamers. After that, the only thing left is some work to get the new league running on its own.

Two leagues with the same division and ranking system would allow for some NA vs EU matchups with the co-operation of those leagues, and that would add additional flavor to the competitive scene of TF2. Of course that kind of matches can be organized without the leagues, but that would be a nice addition to the league system, and in my opinion, it would also attract some additional interest towards these leagues.

One con with this would be some work, more work, and a bit more work. Another one, would people be interested enough to attempt this? Is it too ambitious, or too big of a plan to work? :P Just throwing some ideas to discuss. But, <b>if</b> the ETF2L would be ready for it, it still needs the opinion of the American gamers, as they, not the EU gamers, would be the ones playing in the NATF2L. Also, it would be nice to hear some progamer opinions on this.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:03:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Herr Braffle</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7118</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Are you sure ETF2L isn't too socialist for you?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:41:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by waebi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7116</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[organize a league on your side...? Because you 
- cant play with "us" anyway
- need to play on your servs anyway...

so... where's the point in europe "hosting" it? :P]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:25:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Smofo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-918/page-1/?recent=7215#post=7114</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[shishaw you do know that we use 1 demoman right?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:18:02 +0200</pubDate>
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