ETF2L – Latest activity in “Playoff structure (9v9 stuff, dont bother reading if you hate lolhl xD)”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Playoff structure (9v9 stuff, dont bother reading if you hate lolhl xD)” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/ Reply by schabdaniel https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554607 not to listen to them blindly, but to always make sure what we think is best for the league aligns with what the players think.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554607 Thu, 26 May 2016 01:39:08 +0200 Reply by Goreston https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554603 Quoted from MoistPenguin

[...] Then why should we listen to this thread by this logic, do you have any particular reason why your opinion on league structure is better than the average prem player?

There's this thing people do where they actually think about the point someone is making, and then assess it on its own merits, instead of agreeing or disagreeing based on who's making the point. They consider the premises of the argument. Do they accept these premises? If so, do the conclusions drawn by the original poster logically follow from these premises, or have they erred in their deductions? If there are errors, what are they? What conclusions should have been drawn instead? It's called critical thinking. Give it a go!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554603 Wed, 25 May 2016 23:12:09 +0200 Reply by Hildreth https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554601 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554601 Wed, 25 May 2016 22:53:49 +0200 Reply by MoistPenguin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554598 Quoted from Muuki

prem players are prem because they are (arguably) good at the game, not because they understand league structure

Then why should we listen to this thread by this logic, do you have any particular reason why your opinion on league structure is better than the average prem player?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554598 Wed, 25 May 2016 22:14:41 +0200 Reply by Moogi https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554593 Quoted from Steve!

[...] Nobody (or at least no admin) said that [...] Swiss isn't played in prem [...] Logic and poll results. [...] Yes. So? Would you rather we just ask the top 3, letting a group of ~5-10 (let's be realistic at least half of these people wouldn't give a shit, the other half just goes along with what their team thinks)? ---------- With that in mind, seriously: we are more than happy to revisit the playoff structure, and thanks for bringing up that you don't like it. Proposals of how long you'd like the playoffs to last and how many games a week would be welcome, akin to what Maxi said earlier on this page. And they'd probably do more good than just arguing back and forth on tangents like who is involved in the polls.

i guess my wording was bad, i mostly meant that not everything should be decided by polls, especially if it concerns league structure (my point about swiss). prem players are prem because they are (arguably) good at the game, not because they understand league structure]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554593 Wed, 25 May 2016 20:41:21 +0200 Reply by schabdaniel https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554592 Quoted from Muuki

how is this a good thing that doesnt need changing in your eyes?

Nobody (or at least no admin) said that Quoted from Muuki

did you ask prem players in both gamemodes when you introduced swiss? i'd really just like to see the reasoning behind all the decisions you make

Swiss isn't played in prem Quoted from Muuki

i'd really just like to see the reasoning behind all the decisions you make

Logic and poll results. Quoted from Muuki

[...]the prem poll of which 50% of people voting on arent in the playoffs, 12.5% are eliminated in first round and 12.5% are the winners?

Yes. So? Would you rather we just ask the top 3, letting a group of ~5-10 (let's be realistic at least half of these people wouldn't give a shit, the other half just goes along with what their team thinks)? ---------- With that in mind, seriously: we are more than happy to revisit the playoff structure, and thanks for bringing up that you don't like it. Proposals of how long you'd like the playoffs to last and how many games a week would be welcome, akin to what Maxi said earlier on this page. And they'd probably do more good than just arguing back and forth on tangents like who is involved in the polls.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554592 Wed, 25 May 2016 20:14:14 +0200 Reply by Moogi https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554590 Quoted from Muuki

[...]the prem poll of which 50% of people voting on arent in the playoffs, 12.5% are eliminated in first round and 12.5% are the winners? did you ask prem players in both gamemodes when you introduced swiss? i'd really just like to see the reasoning behind all the decisions you make

not to mention that roughly 4 players deal with playoff game scheduling and this affects every division, tjis season had s-o playing vs a mix for warmup and so are bauer in mid, how is this a good thing that doesnt need changing in your eyes?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554590 Wed, 25 May 2016 19:12:10 +0200 Reply by Moogi https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554588 Quoted from MoistPenguin

[...] We added greater flexibility to the playoffs this season as it was what the prem teams wanted. We will almost always go with what the prem poll says the prem players want. If the poll ends up saying something different to this thread then we will go with the poll as so far this thead only has a small group of peoples opinions.

the prem poll of which 50% of people voting on arent in the playoffs, 12.5% are eliminated in first round and 12.5% are the winners? did you ask prem players in both gamemodes when you introduced swiss? i'd really just like to see the reasoning behind all the decisions you make]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554588 Wed, 25 May 2016 19:04:32 +0200 Reply by Goreston https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554581 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554581 Wed, 25 May 2016 16:38:22 +0200 Reply by MoistPenguin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554580 Quoted from Maxi

Seeing as I casted both the semi and the grand final, I feel I should comment based on the casting side of things, 10 days between the quarter finals and grand finals is far too long. It would be great to force the quarters on sunday-tuesday, semis mid week and finish off the grand finals on the weekend tbh.

We added greater flexibility to the playoffs this season as it was what the prem teams wanted. We will almost always go with what the prem poll says the prem players want. If the poll ends up saying something different to this thread then we will go with the poll as so far this thead only has a small group of peoples opinions.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554580 Wed, 25 May 2016 16:15:04 +0200 Reply by HK_Maxi https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554574 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554574 Wed, 25 May 2016 11:56:02 +0200 Reply by Kissakala https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-3/?recent=554607#post=554555 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554555 Tue, 24 May 2016 20:51:15 +0200 Reply by Toregant https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-2/?recent=554607#post=554550 Quoted from scrambled

[...] another alternative fix would be to have more frequent seasons.

6s has more seasons and has the same problem. I don't think we need more hl seasons as it wouldn't fix anything. Just teams form faster and people enjoy 6s more.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554550 Tue, 24 May 2016 17:23:45 +0200 Reply by MoistPenguin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-2/?recent=554607#post=554548 Quoted from kKaltUu

I'll try to be more active once my schedule allows it.

Qnai is very demanding.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554548 Tue, 24 May 2016 16:39:38 +0200 Reply by Stinson_Out https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32990/page-2/?recent=554607#post=554547 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32990&post=554547 Tue, 24 May 2016 16:37:06 +0200