ETF2L – Latest activity in “[ETF2L] Season 23 Preseason Cup / Test Whitelist Feedback Thread”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “[ETF2L] Season 23 Preseason Cup / Test Whitelist Feedback Thread” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/ Reply by Toregant https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549390 Quoted from Silver Tosspot

Logjam has it's problem

And that will be why it probably won't be in the season. Really the only logical map to remove would be granary pro if they were gonna use any of the new ones. It's never been a A++ map to begin with and now it's some custom version to make it play slightly better which stops it being one of those maps you just jump straight into out of pubs. I don't think they'll remove Viaduct because it's the only non 5cp gamemode we have, in fact probably because of some of the small faults logjam has they'll go for coalplant to make people actually scrim koth and not yolo through those 2 weeks. It's the only map that really worked in the cup imo. Gpit was fun to watch but so many teams were clueless that it would recieve bad feedback at the end of the season no matter. Wouldn't be surprised to keep seeing Sunshine (wasn't at all bad and will probably become a stock map soon) and Coalplant next season honestly, that and Viaduct pro, will be nice to have some fresh and modern maps to play.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549390 Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:35:27 +0100 Reply by Theo Berlin https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549382 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549382 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:42:34 +0100 Reply by NeuTronas https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549379 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549379 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:44:48 +0100 Reply by -nklsm- https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549376 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549376 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:57:23 +0100 Reply by parking turtle https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549375 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549375 Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:09:32 +0100 Reply by Whitey https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549246 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549246 Fri, 15 Jan 2016 01:30:44 +0100 Reply by Jai Chapman https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549243 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549243 Fri, 15 Jan 2016 00:42:16 +0100 Reply by Permzilla https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-4/?recent=549390#post=549229 Quoted from Popcorp

You can still make a poll just to see what community wants or doesn't want, but you can also leave a not at the end of the poll that THE RESULTS OF THIS POLL WILL NOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING It's basically to give admins more information, to make judgement even easier. Lets say you make a vote which map to remove and which to add, now here's an example: Lets say admins want to remove Sunshine and add Coalplant, because that's what they all decided in the end, but then before they do it, they decide to make a poll and by the end of it, it shows that, for example, 90% of the players voted to remove Process, from other maps like Sunshine, Snake, Badlands or none, and then vote for either Gpit, Coalplant, Logjam, Metalworks or none, to add into mappool. 85% voted to add Metalworks. -Process +Metalworks So now admins have a chance to do a better judgement, since clearly they see that people want other map out and other map in. I just want to say that non-prem players/admins have barely any influence in the community, as well as the lack of any rewards for participating in seasons, we're still waiting for our season 20, 21, 22 and soon to be 23 medals, Highlander ones too. Just distribute them already, UGC can with their swiss system and you guys can't for some reason (laziness prolly).

Try making a poll, seeing a result and then going completely against it. How do you think the community is going to feel about that? It's bad enough already that not everyone's opinion is listened to, but to listen to it and ignore it is even worse. If the admins have a result in mind and will ignore the poll to implement it, what is the point of the poll? Non-prem players have barely any influence in the community, it's true in almost every aspect of life. Just one recent example is the FIFA Ballon D'or where only captains/managers of each FIFA nation are allowed to vote. Pretty much everything works this way, and that's life. Generally people with better knowledge and more experience (prem players/admins) dictate what happens. The rewards is a different subject completely. I can assure you it isn't laziness - unless you count not going through 1000's of players individually and assigning the correct medal type as lazy. UGC can assign them with their swiss system because they did not have to recently convert their whole tournament system.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549229 Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:45:09 +0100 Reply by popcorp https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549228 THE RESULTS OF THIS POLL WILL NOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING It's basically to give admins more information, to make judgement even easier. Lets say you make a vote which map to remove and which to add, now here's an example: Lets say admins want to remove Sunshine and add Coalplant, because that's what they all decided in the end, but then before they do it, they decide to make a poll and by the end of it, it shows that, for example, 90% of the players voted to remove Process, from other maps like Sunshine, Snake, Badlands or none, and then vote for either Gpit, Coalplant, Logjam, Metalworks or none, to add into mappool. 85% voted to add Metalworks. -Process +Metalworks So now admins have a chance to do a better judgement, since clearly they see that people want other map out and other map in. I just want to say that non-prem players/admins have barely any influence in the community, as well as the lack of any rewards for participating in seasons, we're still waiting for our season 20, 21, 22 and soon to be 23 medals, Highlander ones too. Just distribute them already, UGC can with their swiss system and you guys can't for some reason (laziness prolly).]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549228 Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:54:21 +0100 Reply by Permzilla https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549227 Quoted from n!k

[...] admins? http://imgur.com/gallery/M2bZq

What you're suggesting isn't even remotely new to anyone. A public poll is only a good idea if admins really can't make a decision, otherwise they will pretty much always have better judgement than a random poll.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549227 Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:08:05 +0100 Reply by -nklsm- https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549226 Quoted from n!k

can't we make a public poll which maps the community wants to play season 23 ... #drama like "vote for 3 maps you dont want to see in s23" - badlands - process - snakewater - gullywash - granary_pro - sunshine - product - coalplant - logjam - gravelpit would be fair and nobody should complain because the community decided dunno if somebody also had this idea in the past ... just throwing out this idea

admins? http://imgur.com/gallery/M2bZq]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549226 Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:28:13 +0100 Reply by NeoN47 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549217 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549217 Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:24:08 +0100 Reply by Permzilla https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549212 Quoted from AB

didn't we have a poll recently between logjam, stock gran and gran pro where the community voted for stock gran and the admins chose (rightly) to go with gran pro?

Yep. Although I think that's slightly biased due to the poor wording of the questions in the poll.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549212 Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:52:27 +0100 Reply by Adeel https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549211 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549211 Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:22:16 +0100 Reply by Sideshow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-32433/page-3/?recent=549390#post=549210 Quoted from Popcorp

[...] Like 20 seasons ago?

I'm sure the game knowledge of the average voter has increase massively since then /s]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=32433&post=549210 Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:51:05 +0100