ETF2L – Latest activity in “Loose Cannon is pretty op. Maybe we should ban it?”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Loose Cannon is pretty op. Maybe we should ban it?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/ Reply by iToaster https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-5/?recent=527325#post=527325 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527325 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:08:29 +0100 Reply by IceRedFox https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-5/?recent=527325#post=527305 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527305 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:52:34 +0100 Reply by Theoz https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-5/?recent=527325#post=527291 Quoted from atomic-

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i agree with my teammate on this one. the loose cannon (and the direct hit when I'm at it) shouldn't be in the game in the first place. why? because it kills 125 hp classes whit only 1! projectil.

Loch n' Load wasn't banned either in any HL league when it was able to deal more than 125 damage. Only now when it's able to deal more than 350 damage with a single magazine of grenades it got banned from UGC. Quoted from Crow‾

well lets look at the demo with the loose cannon (and shield) - not only you can kill and spam for 141 damage in one direction easily! but with a shield you have 20-50% resistance to fire and explosive damage. So? you have a +175hp (~260hp for pyros because of the sofair 50% fire resistance and pyro the only class thats actually uses it to kill someone thus making pyro even more useless, not like being the weakest class it the game isn't already enough, but dont let me start on that). SO! Not only the ability to do massive damage (that valve is so masterfully nerfing) you cant kill him as well. and you call that fair? oh realyy?

Pyro does still have shotgun as the default secondary weapon, if the fire damage doesn't do much, you can always shoot with the shotgun anyways, pyros could rely on other weapons too than the ones that deal more damage when you're ignited which aren't even that good. Besides, let's be honest, does anybody in higher divisions (except UGC Plat because obvious reasons) use something else than a stickybomb launcher for more than 2 minutes? Why would anybody use the shield to charge away fast instead of dealing thousands of damage on enemies with a stickybomb launcher? Quoted from Crow‾

and just look at the damage of direct hit https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Direct_Hit looks fair right? your medic is in the air? well f* him. and yes, i agree that you actually need to aim and be good with this weapon. but no! it shouldn't do the 140 damage pointblank. the stock rocket launcher does 112 damage for a reason! no other classes then the spy and sniper should be able to "oneshot". IMHO!!

I might understand why would direct hit annoy people in 6v6 if some people barely get buffs or aren't able to dodge the rockets, but in HL I would call it as your own fault for letting a soldier come so close to you without any of your teammates helping you if they aren't able to kill a one enemy who barely deals any splash damage with the DH rockets. It has it's upsides and downsides in both gamemodes, splash damage is really that important for soldiers. Quoted from Crow‾

the things we can do to "balance" if valve don't want to reduce the damage is the allow the pretty boys pocket pistol for one and the reserve shooter for two! (i don't get why was the reserve shooter banned in the first place, if doing 140 damage is OKEY) yup scouts with 140hp to not die to direct hits well and still die to loose cannons duh! its fair. but no one wants that, right?

I don't understand how would those help, it's like saying as well that short circuit should be allowed because DH is able to twoshot any big sentry down, but it's far too much to allow Short Circuit to prevent that, Reserve Shooter is already broken since any normal jump would make you airborne so you'll take mini-crits even from that. Pocket pistol could be tried out since it does have the disadvantages as well in HL where you would get fucked by pyros instantly, but allowing that wouldn't really make either Loose Cannon or Direct Hit any less viable if the flank classes just get weapons that would make them more powerful. I really don't see any problem with Loose Cannon in general, even the most cases Klefsas is talking about are situational, you might not want to accept it but you don't get oneshot by a Loose Cannon every single time that you get shot by unless you're that stupid to run into them to just get double donked instantly. Besides, is it that much of a problem to do something that's outside of the meta game so that everything needs to be banned so that everything will always be the same as ever? tldr Let's just ban whole TF2 since the game too only has situational use like Loose Cannon for all of us during our lives, right? Cheers Byte]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527268 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:15:42 +0100 Reply by xcrow559x https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527265 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527265 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:43:16 +0100 Reply by Lorave https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527247 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527247 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:16:56 +0100 Reply by Repu https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527244 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527244 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 01:30:45 +0100 Reply by PhaNtom666 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527243 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527243 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 01:14:07 +0100 Reply by 13thDoctor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527242 Quoted from Pistolvania

[...] Well, we should remove snipers

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[...] Isnt it just good to have some variety? like you said he made same dmg so its not direct update to pipes+stickies nor OP. And if he would be using stickies he doesnt have much protetctions against bombers like skyro stated

The point is the weapon does require very little skill to be very decent, as I understand. I mean, Joe is considered to be the good demo, cbihok admits he's bad at pipes. This was the first day he tried this combo, yiedling the same damage as Joe did.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527231 Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:12:07 +0100 Reply by Makaka https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527226 Quoted from Klefsas

Don't waste your time for this topic.

That's up to me to decide, mate. You created this topic, you should have been prepared for a reasonable dose of criticism.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527226 Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:21:16 +0100 Reply by Boom Legshot https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-31095/page-4/?recent=527325#post=527225 Quoted from Popcorp

Just force HL to have 3 Soldiers, 3 Scouts, 2 Demos and 1 Medic, thx

Would actually be fun to see 12v12 with double class limits. I wonder if this has been done.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=31095&post=527225 Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:15:28 +0100