ETF2L – Latest activity in “I would like to give my feedback on ETF2L” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/ Reply by emb https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-4/?recent=442402#post=442402 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442402 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 21:57:32 +0200 Reply by Koeitje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-4/?recent=442402#post=442400 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442400 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 21:38:38 +0200 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-4/?recent=442402#post=442356 Quoted from AnimaL
Just close this already
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[...] that link just dropped productiveness of my office all the way down to 0% Good thread, agree with OP, why should team get punished for bad administration? And Spike, he is not blaming you, but etf2l as a collective, quite rightly so too. Swallow your pride and make sure this does not happen again. I appreciate you are doing it for free, but since you are, at least try your best. If you (again collective) make mistake (everyone does, we are all humans) do not punish teams for it.
You misunderstand. There is no pride to swallow. The arguable mistake (which I have already admitted to - several times now) and the fact this team needed to be disqualified at the given point in time are two entirely separate entities. They were in the wrong bracket and should therefore not be allowed to continue. That's all there is to it. As I said, I'd have preferred to catch them out before the first game as well, but that sadly just hasn't happened. You can blame that on the incorrect seeding (see below), but the team could just as easily have messaged an admin about it. That would've taken 30 seconds and there would not have been any issues at all. I also already explained that it had simply not been feasible/possible to catch them out before seedings (their match history -and thus 'proof' of their skill- is not on etf2l and, until they were reported by someone, nobody knew where their history was at all). Like I said, I could've gone to all the other tf2 leagues in existence to check if any cup particpant had any too high skilled history elsewhere, but then this cup probably wouldn't have happened at all, because that would take way too much time for a small cup like this one. As for "he is not blaming you, but etf2l as a collective" - I do take the blame, because I single handedly did the seeding for this cup. Nobody else was involved in that.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442328 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:16:15 +0200 Reply by b10h4z4rd https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442324 Quoted from Mikeikeike
[...]If you did your job in the first place, this whole thread wouldn't even exist. http://hadonejob.com/ DAMN IT SPIKE YOU HAD ONE JOB!
that link just dropped productiveness of my office all the way down to 0% Good thread, agree with OP, why should team get punished for bad administration? And Spike, he is not blaming you, but etf2l as a collective, quite rightly so too. Swallow your pride and make sure this does not happen again. I appreciate you are doing it for free, but since you are, at least try your best. If you (again collective) make mistake (everyone does, we are all humans) do not punish teams for it.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442324 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:55:00 +0200 Reply by Eledorian https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442315 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442315 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:05:58 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442314 Quoted from Ritalin
Wrecking every team in their bracket is more preferable than disqualifying a team
No, it isn't. You are blaming me for incorrectly seeding them. I have already explained why and how that happened. Your point is clear and understood - repeating it won't make a difference. Yes, they were seeded incorrectly. That may or may not be considered a mistake, given the circumstances (lots of players to check versus this being a small cup aimed primarily at lower divs). The fact remains that they were in the wrong bracket, regardless of whose fault that was.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442314 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:04:59 +0200 Reply by Trane https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442313 Quoted from Ritalin
[...] Whose enjoyment would be spoiled if the team were correctly seeded?
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Strawman-light.jpg]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442313 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:48:15 +0200 Reply by VersusPasseism https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442311 Quoted from Trane
That's subjective. Spoiling the enjoyment of the game for 6 people is worse than spoiling the enjoyment of the game for a much larger group of people? I disagree.
Whose enjoyment would be spoiled if the team were correctly seeded?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442311 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:44:16 +0200 Reply by Trane https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442307 Quoted from Ritalin
Wrecking every team in their bracket is more preferable than disqualifying a team who were seeded in that very same bracket by the admins, yes.
That's subjective. Spoiling the enjoyment of the game for 6 people is worse than spoiling the enjoyment of the game for a much larger group of people? I disagree.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442307 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:41:33 +0200 Reply by VersusPasseism https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442306 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442306 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:38:36 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442305 Quoted from Ritalin
they have recognisable names
I don't follow the NA scene much at all, I had not heard of any of them. Quoted from Ritalin
it is also unreasonable to disqualify a team for being seeded incorrectly
And it's not unreasonable to have just let them play and wreck every other team in the bracket, completely ruining the intention of the cup?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442305 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:21:38 +0200 Reply by VersusPasseism https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-25004/page-3/?recent=442402#post=442304 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=25004&post=442304 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:16:57 +0200