ETF2L – Latest activity in “Less Granary, perhaps?”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Less Granary, perhaps?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/ Reply by Frowny https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-7/?recent=438778#post=438778 Quoted from nibo

what about koth viaduct? has that ever been played in eu 6v6

This. Incredibly fun map]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=438778 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:51:09 +0100 Reply by abdaO.o https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-7/?recent=438778#post=436968 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436968 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:33:34 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-7/?recent=438778#post=436930 Quoted from almightybob

I mean if one medic switches to kritz on badlands and you call it out on the cast where the other team can hear you, the same problem exists. Similarly if at the end of a midfight it's a scout vs 3 players, he might be considering backing out until he hears the casters go "oh and it's 1v3 but all three on RED are so so weak, if the scout goes in now he could easily clear up and take this mid" then he's going to go in instead of falling back. It's not a gravelpit problem, it's a LAN casting problem.)

The point I think Arx was making is that on gpit nothing happens for a long time, so in-game there are less sounds and it's easier for people to actually hear what is being said, whereas in other games this is less of an issue, if one at all.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436930 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:21:26 +0100 Reply by almightybob https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436864 Quoted from AcidReniX

-snip- In short, the exciting part of gravelpit (excluding the race against the clock at the end), is the strategies involved, and you can't speak about them when the players can hear you, so it's extremely dull.

I understand that point completely, but given that ETF2L is an online league with no LAN component, surely these arguments are irrelevant? Just don't play gravelpit on LANs, only online, and the casters can discuss that delicious strategy metagame to their hearts' content. (Also, surely those comments about strategy apply to all LAN setups? I mean if one medic switches to kritz on badlands and you call it out on the cast where the other team can hear you, the same problem exists. Similarly if at the end of a midfight it's a scout vs 3 players, he might be considering backing out until he hears the casters go "oh and it's 1v3 but all three on RED are so so weak, if the scout goes in now he could easily clear up and take this mid" then he's going to go in instead of falling back. It's not a gravelpit problem, it's a LAN casting problem.)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436864 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:52:44 +0100 Reply by Rychius https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436822 Quoted from Spike Himself

[...] Anyone know?

isnt it Markfsr? http://etf2l.org/forum/maps/topic-17184/?recent=405675 found the thread as well]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436822 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:36:32 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436819 Who is the maker of the proest version and is there a changelog somewhere? Anyone know?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436819 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:33:45 +0100 Reply by themast https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436683 Quoted from Chaplain

This seasons map pool has been the best ever, and although I miss gpit I know if its added again I will never pcw on it and when the official comes it will last 2 hours. I would rather anally ingest a rake then have gpit back.

Couldnt agree more!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436683 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 23:02:07 +0100 Reply by Setlet https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436678 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436678 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:48:41 +0100 Reply by Rybaa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436653 Quoted from Cauthon

Bring Gravelpit back

]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436653 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:13:36 +0100 Reply by skeej https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436645 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436645 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:35:55 +0100 Reply by Dukermons https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436619 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436619 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:58:31 +0100 Reply by Cunlico https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436618 Quoted from Spike Himself

[...] From a medic pov, badlands, process, gullywash, snakewater are all maps I don't mind playing at all (ok I hate process but that's only because it's new and I have yet to get used to it (yes I'm slow)).

I meant that every map is fine to be played as solly and demo, since there are people claiming solly isnt because scout op]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436618 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:56:30 +0100 Reply by LimputtaJa https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436617 Quoted from Kaneco

[...] Gravelpit is awesome and very exciting to watch / play.

Umm no. Extreamly boring to play and watch. Just watch i46 final, gravelpit was much much much more boring than other 2 maps.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436617 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:54:41 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436614 Quoted from Leif

And Granary is boring for everyone but sollys and demo (is there any map that isnt?).

From a medic pov, badlands, process, gullywash, snakewater are all maps I don't mind playing at all (ok I hate process but that's only because it's new and I have yet to get used to it (yes I'm slow)). As for koth maps, I don't know. We get a bunch of people every season, asking if we can have a koth map, and every time we host any sort of poll, koth maps never see much favour for whatever reason. As for me personally, I think I've played viaduct once or twice in a 6v6 format (a long time ago) and, besides snipers being terribly annoying, it's not all that bad. I'd like to try a payload map in a 6v6 format, if only to see how it'd work out. Gonna guess it's not going to be much fun at all, but who knows! On a similar note, I still think it's worth having a look at the sd mode, just not doomsday. Quoted from AcidReniX

You can make one slip up, and you've just lost your team points in the league. Other maps allow for some element of recovery, but not gravelpit.

I think "slip up" is the poorest of word choices you could've gone for here. The fact it requires the ultimate teamwork is exactly what makes gpit a good map imo. Exactly because you can't afford any mistakes.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436614 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:10:55 +0100 Reply by AcidReniX https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24584/page-6/?recent=438778#post=436613 Quoted from Kaneco

[...] Why would it be awful to cast viaduct, or even gravelpit? Gravelpit is awesome and very exciting to watch / play. I imagine casting it wouldn't be that much harder... Annd viaduct is way more fun as well from the spectator and player side, and no big stale situations so probably your only problem is never being able to take a break :D

Well, I quite like gravelpit from a spectators point of view. I think it can be very exciting to watch. From a player's point of view, it can be very punishing, and very much a lottery. You can make one slip up, and you've just lost your team points in the league. Other maps allow for some element of recovery, but not gravelpit. Still... it can be fun to play. From a commentator's point of view, it is great fun to cast! Especially for my own style of casting (a lot of analysis). The biggest problem with Gravelpit, was the grand final at i46. See... commentating that map requires a lot of discussion about strategy. There's never much play-by-play going on, and there are so many different ways a team can play the map. But on the stage, the players can hear you in the downtime (when there's not much in game noise going on). You can't discuss what the other team is doing, because it is literally golden information for the enemy team to hear. If you mention where they are pushing from, and a player on the opposite team hears it, they can rotate their whole defense to that entrance, and if the enemy team has to back off and take a different route, it's costing them time and therefore influencing the match result. You can't talk about kritz, snipers, spies, sentry gun positions, or even the fact that sentries exist, because information like that would normally cost a team 'time' to find out for themselves, and giving away that information means they don't have to scout it... saving them time. Now not giving away information would be fine, except there is nothing else going on. You can't talk about how a team is setting up in setup time... There's nothing happening while a team is in the spawn, and still very rarely anything happening when the team is capping an uncontested A point. As casters in that situation, that's around 2 minutes where we might as well talk about what we had for dinner last night. In short, the exciting part of gravelpit (excluding the race against the clock at the end), is the strategies involved, and you can't speak about them when the players can hear you, so it's extremely dull.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24584&post=436613 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:09:16 +0100