ETF2L – Latest activity in “To hell with screenshots, integrate logs!”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “To hell with screenshots, integrate logs!” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/ Reply by Sideshow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=436198 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=436198 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:19:50 +0100 Reply by Rex McPwn https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=436169 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=436169 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:25:38 +0100 Reply by EmilioEstevez https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=436052 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=436052 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:19:29 +0100 Reply by Cuttlefish https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=436050 Quoted from Arie

If you have rcon, you can stream logs. I like the idea, but I don't think it deserves to be high on ETF2L's todo list tbh :)

Pretty much this, to be honest. There's other stuff to do.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=436050 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:47:28 +0100 Reply by kaidus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=436048 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=436048 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 06:13:15 +0100 Reply by Hat https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=435980 Quoted from ondkaja

[...] So, instead of catching cheaters you think ETF2L admins should spend their time on making you able to upload logs? Not only is this EXTREMELY useless, it is also a breach of integrity as the log files contain chat messages from the game. But let's have it your way, let's have hackers running around freely because the admins are spending time coding this useless crap instead of watching POV demos. I don't want to accuse anyone of anything, but perhaps that's the entire idea of it; YOU want the admins to be busy while you're installing some kind of shady plug-in?

do you sit at home wearing tinfoil hats]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435980 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:16:33 +0100 Reply by Arie https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-4/?recent=436198#post=435978 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435978 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:59:47 +0100 Reply by emb https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435957 ETF2L Premium (c) subscription! Only 2€ per month! On a serious note... Log upload is a not an option without a ETF2L server plugin to ensure log integrity to some degree. Making log upload mandatory is not an option unless said ETF2L server plugin is required for all matches. Both for the purpose of log integrity and ease of use. Streaming logs is, again, not an option without a ETF2L plugin. Logs must be snipped to contain only info relevant to matches, and only to valid ETF2L matches - otherwise the server load would be unimaginable.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435957 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:27:48 +0100 Reply by Kaneco https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435941 Quoted from kaidus

I don't really see how anyone could ever hope to get away with faking logs (at least significantly). Can someone posit a scenario where a team can hope to get away with this? I just don't buy it.

If there's no automated plugin to upload it directly it could be faked sure, but yeah I see no point in faking it, obvious fakes would be contested and the consequences would be harsh I would imagine. Same with screenshots actually, I can blatantly fake a match result, just open ps cs5 and voilá, 5 mins later we got a screen, but thats not how it works. It would be contested obviously]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435941 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:26:15 +0100 Reply by Dennia https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435940 Quoted from kaidus

I don't really see how anyone could ever hope to get away with faking logs (at least significantly). Can someone posit a scenario where a team can hope to get away with this? I just don't buy it.

YE KAIDUZ TELL THEM HOW IT IZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435940 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:25:10 +0100 Reply by kaidus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435939 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435939 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:22:45 +0100 Reply by Kaneco https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435936 Quoted from AnimaL

[...]the idea of having logs actually isnt bad, but etf2l would need to parse the logs with logaddress_add instead of ppl uploading their own, then it would be great same as in esea

That's exactly what I'm saying, the best option would be a plugin that directly uploads logs and match results to etf2l, but that wouldn't be easy to code I guess. An oficial plugin for etf2l that is mandatory on all servers for official matches, that plugin would ensure the config and whitelist was always right, it could upload logs and results to etf2l and even keep a track of who's a merc and who's not, Idk, but the potential sounds amazing. Quoted from ondkaja

[...] So, instead of catching cheaters you think ETF2L admins should spend their time on making you able to upload logs? Not only is this EXTREMELY useless, it is also a breach of integrity as the log files contain chat messages from the game. But let's have it your way, let's have hackers running around freely because the admins are spending time coding this useless crap instead of watching POV demos. I don't want to accuse anyone of anything, but perhaps that's the entire idea of it; YOU want the admins to be busy while you're installing some kind of shady plug-in?

Not sure if troll, but that's kind of a flawed argument... The AC team and the dev team have an entirely different set of people and abilities, if you want to help catching cheaters I'm sure you can ask the admins to trial as an AC team member, shocky left recently and I heard they don't have that many people available so maybe you could lend a hand? I'm not really on par with everything but I'm sure top of the list for the dev team atm would be a complete site design and interface overhaul. After that, the goal should be towards a more professional looking league, and I assume getting some tasks automated would be a great help in that department.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435936 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:15:16 +0100 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435922 addition, no more.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435922 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:20:15 +0100 Reply by Animal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435921 Quoted from Starkie

[...] Fair point actually, but the time & date would have to sync up so it wouldnt be as easy as youre making out

the idea of having logs actually isnt bad, but etf2l would need to parse the logs with logaddress_add instead of ppl uploading their own, then it would be great same as in esea]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435921 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:20:03 +0100 Reply by enzyme https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-24569/page-3/?recent=436198#post=435920 Quoted from AnimaL

[...]rofl.. you just change numbers in the .log and upload it... thats all it takes... http://logs.tf/13003 in like 2min

Fair point actually, but the time & date would have to sync up so it wouldnt be as easy as youre making out]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=24569&post=435920 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:19:13 +0100