ETF2L – Latest activity in “Is S14 maplist a joke?”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Is S14 maplist a joke?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/ Reply by BeachTerror https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-6/?recent=427075#post=427075 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=427075 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:19:56 +0100 Reply by Vyal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-6/?recent=427075#post=427064 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=427064 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 05:32:00 +0100 Reply by BeachTerror https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-6/?recent=427075#post=427052 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=427052 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:15:01 +0100 Reply by konr https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-6/?recent=427075#post=426995 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426995 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:34:50 +0100 Reply by Mukuluku https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426965 Quoted from THE_WILLY

Since when became 5CP the only mode in TF2? Why there is no GRAVEL PIT or a KotH map? Why it has to be so boring?

i am with him!]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426965 Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:43:15 +0100 Reply by DeusVox https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426626 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426626 Tue, 01 Jan 2013 12:34:51 +0100 Reply by Raikubmx https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426623 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426623 Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:29:40 +0100 Reply by djshrew https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426600 Quoted from wolve

[...] I do agree with a lot of what you said, but to be honest these days it is a lot easier to progress through the divisions because there are better ways to practice and easier ways to learn. Back then there was no MGE and no DM servers (well, except dm_store). There were no streams of good players and no in-depth analysis of gameplay or mentors. But if it took you 2,5 seasons to get out of division 6 you were probably just really bad.

Nope back then it took skill and using your own brain and initiative to progress. I spent ages watching other good players playing pickup 2 etc.. Literally spent days watching Numlock, Justice, F2, Byte, Fragga, Ryb, Lofty, Jh & Joske just to name a few without any comm's. Just my own thoughts as to why they did what they did, this helped me learn the game along with just playing, I then proceeded to spend my time passing on what I had learned from them to others. However I would not say all the guide these days make players progress quicker, the skill level is lower. People can watch guides till they are blue in the face, if they don’t understand why they should do what they should do they will not progress. Mentoring or demo reviews are still the best method, reviewing your own demo's will still teach you a lot. People can see their own mistakes, maybe they just choose to ignore them? Also the ability to be able to play in PU2 helped. Flaming incoming.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426600 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:18:25 +0100 Reply by Histerim https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426593 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426593 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:32:51 +0100 Reply by Evowarrior5 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426588 Quoted from Dr Icecream

[...] [...] I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but in case you aren't: Progress can't come too fast, it's just the way you try to make it that matters :)

Nope, wasn't sarcastic :P I try to work as much on progress as I can, and I have the friends to do so with I believe. I'll see how much I'm worth throughout this season and I'm gonna try to improve as much as I can]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426588 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:17:49 +0100 Reply by NuckChorris https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426584 Quoted from Old_Grandma

this is the best maplist EVAR!!!

]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426584 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:19:19 +0100 Reply by Ond kaja https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426583 Quoted from Nymthae

[...] Obscure was far easier in my experience. There was a lot of QQ, definitely, but seriously soon as someone even says gravel pit people used to quit on us - obs at least ticked the 5cp box that people were after. At a guess though, vaguely basing it off your season history - playing div5/6 means there's a lot more teams around that level where you would've been able to get gravel pit. Unlike last season: getting turbine around div3/4 which might be skewing your experience a bit there. In the end though, whichever is marginally better doesn't really matter because they all get dwarfed completely by the five maps selected for the pool. It is bland, but it's really the truth of the situation. Hopefully some new maps will trickle in as people say though.

Maybe, but I played Obscure on the same level I played Gpit and Gpit games were easier to get, in my experience.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426583 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:14:29 +0100 Reply by dr icecream https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426567 Quoted from wolve

[...] But if it took you 2,5 seasons to get out of division 6 you were probably just really bad.

We weren't bad, there were more unlocks, playoffs to get into div 5 (which we failed on the very last map twice) and a map pool which had CTF, A/D and 5 CP maps in it. I also want to note that competitive games like COD, CS:S, CS 1.6, League of Legends have a very limited map pool as well, however these games continue to increase in popularity, comp-wise. 2011 was a horrible year when it came to admins. Not due to the fact that the admins were shit, because they weren't (apart from you Hildreth, still hate you for picking up your dick teammate from Birmingham Airport, xoxo), but because of the heavy in- and outflow of admins. Now we have an established admin team, we just need the stable playerbase that we had circa 3 years ago. The only way to get a good view of the community's needs, is by knowing what your community looks like. And there it's the community's job to stay somewhat stable. It's easy to have 20 prem players (or even a team that has stuck together like .:ne:. Blu for example) that stay around in more or less the same teams to say "We don't want unlocks", and then have 600 players in div 3 and below that switch teams every so often trying to get unlocks back in ETF2L. It's like having two job interviews, one with a guy who has been with the same company for 5 years and says he's looking for a new challenge, or a guy who's had 20 different jobs over 5 years and says he's looking for a new challenge. Your intentions can be the best, but there's more than just intentions required to convince an admin team to engage in a meaningful conversation. Quoted from EvoWarrior5

@ Dr ice cream, i feel like you are right. You also made me realise im one of those people that is trying to progress too fast while im not capable of it yet. i wanna take it slower from now on.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but in case you aren't: Progress can't come too fast, it's just the way you try to make it that matters :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426567 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:57:28 +0100 Reply by Evowarrior5 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426561 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426561 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:14:23 +0100 Reply by Nymthae https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-23910/page-5/?recent=427075#post=426560 Quoted from ondkaja

[...] Unlike Turbine or Obscure, it wasn't too hard finding games on Gravelpit, even off-season. What are you talking about?

Obscure was far easier in my experience. There was a lot of QQ, definitely, but seriously soon as someone even says gravel pit people used to quit on us - obs at least ticked the 5cp box that people were after. At a guess though, vaguely basing it off your season history - playing div5/6 means there's a lot more teams around that level where you would've been able to get gravel pit. Unlike last season: getting turbine around div3/4 which might be skewing your experience a bit there. In the end though, whichever is marginally better doesn't really matter because they all get dwarfed completely by the five maps selected for the pool. It is bland, but it's really the truth of the situation. Hopefully some new maps will trickle in as people say though.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=23910&post=426560 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:12:07 +0100