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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;[S12] Provisional Divisions Feedback Thread! (aka LAWL NICE DIVS)&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by LimputtaJa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-6/?recent=385464#post=385464</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from X-L</i>
		<blockquote>Too bad you drop.
I admit we have the hardest div4.
In comparison with div4E-4F(no offense), it's way more competitive.</blockquote>

though few better teams in 4c are all better than any team in 4e/4f]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 16:24:55 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by X-L</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-6/?recent=385464#post=385454</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Too bad you drop.
I admit we have the hardest div4.
In comparison with div4E-4F(no offense), it's way more competitive.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 16:00:08 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SquirryKnife</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385449</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[http://etf2l.org/teams/14223/ Dropping in div4C

Coz just realised that we're not ready to commit div4, we need first to know eachother and get solid base to keep going. Dropping not means folding, ofc :D So cu next season]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 15:52:49 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385364</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Toasty</i>
		<blockquote>What does that have to do with anything i said? You could make an entire new div 3 with people from div4.</blockquote>

Unless your team is actually not one of the "teams that could be in div3" then you probably understood that my point was that the early bird gets the worm]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 02:17:51 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dauk</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385338</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Sketch</i>
		<blockquote>People often underestimate the skill it takes just to be div 4. Div 4 is a good standard for an established team to get to, it shows an ability for good communication, solid death match and consistent gameplay/ gamesense. 

If a team is not strong in one of these aspects then they will struggle in division 4. 
Every division takes that basic gameplay knowledge from division 4 and strives to perfect it which is why they are better. Winning Div 4 still remains a really big milestone of achievement for any Newish or established team imo.</blockquote>

I was saying that to myself every time starting my div5 ending div1. "This is the division thats starts to play serious and requires a lot of gamesense to climb out". And then you look back and realize that you were just bad.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 23:39:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sketch</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385336</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[People often underestimate the skill it takes just to be div 4. Div 4 is a good standard for an established team to get to, it shows an ability for good communication, solid death match and consistent gameplay/ gamesense. 

If a team is not strong in one of these aspects then they will struggle in division 4. 
Every division takes that basic gameplay knowledge from division 4 and strives to perfect it which is why they are better. Winning Div 4 still remains a really big milestone of achievement for any Newish or established team imo.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 23:12:38 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Sonny Black</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385333</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Toasty</i>
		<blockquote>4c is shit, half the teams there could play div 3 and have probably asked to play higher than 4 and have had no oposition, no real change from previous seasons tho.</blockquote>
You should get your facts straight. You had 3 games so far.
You lost to Poorly Raised a newly formed team, who asked for div4 and provided screenshots against div4 teams. Without these screenshots they might have ended in div5.
You lost to clanda a well established team, who asked for div4. And once you have a look at their S11 achievements you will understand why. 2 maps won 10 lost in div3, its fair to say that when they are asking to be div4, that we will place them in div4.
You lost to Les Gunslingers, who asked for div4. They got promotion from div5 in S11, putting them in div3, could be considered quite a stretch.
I cannot find any really outstanding team (no offense :]) in your div, so maybe the real issue, unable to stand up to the challenge, is you :o!...]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:57:20 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rdios</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385330</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Limp.</i>
		<blockquote>No you are just div5 team</blockquote>]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:41:25 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by LimputtaJa</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385328</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[No you are just div5 team]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:16:13 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Loonycake</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385327</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What does that have to do with anything i said? You could make an entire new div 3 with people from div4.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:09:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385325</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Toasty</i>
		<blockquote>4c is shit, half the teams there could play div 3 and have probably asked to play higher than 4 and have had no oposition, no real change from previous seasons tho.</blockquote>

My team was in div4, but when we heard another Finnish team from div3 was about to drop we immidiately asked the admins if we could get their spot. And so we are in div3 nowadays.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:02:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Loonycake</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=385324</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[4c is shit, half the teams there could play div 3 and have probably asked to play higher than 4 and have had no oposition, no real change from previous seasons tho.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 21:58:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Nymthae</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=381133</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Fishy</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
No, if they can't, they've wasted a great opportunity another team would have leaped at the chance of, and a whole season of tf2 for that team.</blockquote>

Same could probably be said for any other team in division 3 that folds. If they make it to the end of the season then they've one upped all those.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:37:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Fishy12</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=381123</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Ghostface</i>
		<blockquote> They're in div3 now, you retards. If they can handle div3, they took a crap all over your pointless ranting. If they can't, gratz you won an argument on the internet. </blockquote>
No, if they can't, they've wasted a great opportunity another team would have leaped at the chance of, and a whole season of tf2 for that team.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:57:17 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by aktarebar</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21163/page-5/?recent=385464#post=381073</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[We applied for div2 which seemed pretty perfect seeing as we have two players with div1 exp and three players with div2 exp. Anyways noone could be arsed getting screenshots and stuff since we don't play too much.

Conclusion is that we don't mind proving ourselves in div3 and the tables seems fine.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:21:41 +0200</pubDate>
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