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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;[HL NC] Feedback thread&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-5/?recent=394270#post=394270</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from CanFo</i>
		<blockquote>[...]
I prefer mannco crate keys as payment.</blockquote>

Sry I have only Scorched keys.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:20:37 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by VersusPasseism</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-5/?recent=394270#post=394261</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hildreth</i>
		<blockquote>It's nice people actually post now when everything is decided and set in stone rather than post when we wanted and needed feedback badly from the community from the experimental cups.</blockquote>

You're right, and i do actually feel really bad now that i've mentioned it so late and now that the season has started. As far as i'm aware though, there was no mention of these maps being considered in the map pool on any news post or feedback thread (and still isn't, except for match pages - i could be wrong about this though). True enough, it could have been decided in the team captain's forum, but that's locked away from the majority of the community who actually test these maps on a regular basis.

What i wrote probably doesn't matter as i'm not actually in a team for the cup, so perhaps my line of reasoning is merely from a spectator's point of view. But, as Bubble pointed out, it would be comparable to putting cp_fastlane in the 6v6 nations cup and that just feels a bit odd.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:07:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by CannonFodd3r</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-5/?recent=394270#post=394155</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Setlet</i>
		<blockquote>I can't believe the admins finally fixed Finland's flag.</blockquote>
I prefer mannco crate keys as payment.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:47:14 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394140</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I can't believe the admins finally fixed Finland's flag.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:26:44 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by pala4</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394087</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[steel instead of converge would be great, why does etf2l ignore the best highlander map?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:32:04 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Buffalo Bill</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394080</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from lawn</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

would cart progress not showing for about 40% of people playing pl_waste constitute as a massive bug?
</blockquote>

As we mentioned ingame last night, that's probably your hud being outdated. It worked fine for all of us.

<i>Quoted from lawn</i>
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[...]

I also really enjoy waste, it's just much too soon for the map to be put into something as big as a nations cup as most highlander players have little to no experience with the maps</blockquote>

It's a small map that can easily be learned quickly. Hell half of us still had to download it last night. :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:26:43 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Russian Guyovich</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394076</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[The map pool looks fine to me. Both Converge and Waste have been around for a couple of years and Converge has been in the map pool for previous Wireplay 7v7 seasons, so it's not entirely unplayed. 

If the national teams want experience on these maps then they should be arranging PCWs. This isn't the fault of the ETF2L admins.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:27:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394054</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Hildreth</i>
		<blockquote>It's nice people actually post now when everything is decided and set in stone rather than post when we wanted and needed feedback badly from the community from the experimental cups.

Only thing that will make us replace a map is a massive bug. As for moving the intel to unreachable places, we can ban things like that rather easily, I don't have any comment about Waste right now. 

All I can say is I wanted to play Turbine :(</blockquote>

would cart progress not showing for about 40% of people playing pl_waste constitute as a massive bug?

I was also not involved/taking part in the cup previously so I didn't think it'd be right for me to complain or criticise


<i>Quoted from Buffalo Bill</i>
		<blockquote>I actually like Waste. :D</blockquote>

I also really enjoy waste, it's just much too soon for the map to be put into something as big as a nations cup as most highlander players have little to no experience with the maps]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:24:12 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Hildreth</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394048</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's nice people actually post now when everything is decided and set in stone rather than post when we wanted and needed feedback badly from the community from the experimental cups.

Only thing that will make us replace a map is a massive bug. As for moving the intel to unreachable places, we can ban things like that rather easily, I don't have any comment about Waste right now. 

All I can say is I wanted to play Turbine :(]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 01:58:33 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394041</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Needs more gpit, steel and badwater.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 01:16:15 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Buffalo Bill</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394029</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I actually like Waste. :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 00:07:10 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=394025</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Ritalin</i>
		<blockquote>It's not too late to replace ctf_converge and pl_waste in the map pool!

considering that many national team players are playing HL for the first time, i don't understand the reasoning for putting in maps that aren't even established in HL. i mean, these maps are new to people who <em>only</em> play HL. there won't be any real developed strategies on these maps, so DM will be enough to carry teams through.

they are also bad maps, and as such will probably give the 6v6'ers an even worse impression of HL play. 

converge has a number of bugs and exploits (including being to put the intel in a place where it's unreachable for most classes), and many people have problems displaying the cart's status (even those with the stock vanilla hud) on pl_waste.</blockquote>


yeah, choosing converge and waste is a really big oversight by etf2l in my opinion - I don't understand why we'd be made to play essentially unplayed (ok - one fun cup has hosted both, and a wireplay season with only 35 teams has hosted converge) maps in a highlander nations cup...I don't think you'd see cp_fastlane or cp_follower in a 6v6 nations cup]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 23:54:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by VersusPasseism</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=393942</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[It's not too late to replace ctf_converge and pl_waste in the map pool!

considering that many national team players are playing HL for the first time, i don't understand the reasoning for putting in maps that aren't even established in HL. i mean, these maps are new to people who <em>only</em> play HL. there won't be any real developed strategies on these maps, so DM will be enough to carry teams through.

they are also bad maps, and as such will probably give the 6v6'ers an even worse impression of HL play. 

converge has a number of bugs and exploits (including being to put the intel in a place where it's unreachable for most classes), and many people have problems displaying the cart's status (even those with the stock vanilla hud) on pl_waste.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 20:16:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Pinky</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=381927</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Why isn't there a SA team? 
'we don't believe you can find enough players' isn't really a valid reason; we'll get them somewhere]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:54:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Coleman</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-21162/page-4/?recent=394270#post=381847</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Someone start a Wales team?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:39:25 +0200</pubDate>
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