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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Points from ETF2L games; A suggestion&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Adel</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-5/?recent=347736#post=347736</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Have to say (in support of many previous posts): a win is a win. Doesn't matter if it was a crazy-close game where you pulled a 5-4 win out in the closing seconds - the better team won, and needs to have full points relative to the rest of the group for it.

Quite apart from the lameness of claiming a win in a close match (which is always more fun than a steamroll) not netting you max points, doing it a different way could also tend to encourage camping and slower games - atm if you're 3-4 down you have nothing to lose, but with points for round wins or similar you'd be encouraged to camp and try to hold on to what you have, rather than pushing for an outright win, which could be a shame.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:44:24 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Rochester</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-5/?recent=347736#post=344081</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Califax</i>
		<blockquote>Wouldnt it be a better system to adapt the football system entirely?
(...)
This way, we can also skip the first week of playoffs, where normally only teams equal on points play to decide their div rank, making that one game in that one week count for their entire season, instead of making every game they played in the entire season count in that scoring, which this RR system will do.</blockquote>

+1, sounds like a really good idea]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:27:53 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Dummy</i>
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ayeaye is nice
I suppose its rather impossible to pass my idea off as reasonable as the majority prefer the a win is a win, a loss is a loss approach</blockquote>

told you so :D]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:38:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stwn</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RaCio</i>
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This is surely an interesting statistic. It's a bit different from what the OP suggested as it doesn't affect points, so it would mainly be usefull for tiebreakers or as a nice statistic.</blockquote>
ayeaye is nice
I suppose its rather impossible to pass my idea off as reasonable as the majority prefer the a win is a win, a loss is a loss approach]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:41:31 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RaCio</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Califax</i>
		<blockquote>Wouldnt it be a better system to adapt the football system entirely?

A loss is a loss, so points remain points, but give every team a overall RoundRatio for the season... 
+1 on the ratio for every cap won. 
-1 on the ratio for every cap lost.
Making the RR the distinction between teams that are equal on points.

So losing a game 5-4 5-4 will still give you 0 points, but will only affect your RR with -2, instead of -10 if you lost it 5-0 5-0.

That way, points would still be the deciding factor of the div rank, but if teams are equal on points, the RR will decide who takes the top spot. 

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/PremRR.JPG">Prem example</a>

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/Div5BRR.JPG">Example of random div with about 50% of total matches played</a>

This way, we can also skip the first week of playoffs, where normally only teams equal on points play to decide their div rank, making that one game in that one week count for their entire season, instead of making every game they played in the entire season count in that scoring, which this RR system will do.</blockquote>
This is surely an interesting statistic. It's a bit different from what the OP suggested as it doesn't affect points, so it would mainly be usefull for tiebreakers or as a nice statistic.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:32:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by FainT.</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=343870</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Califax</i>
		<blockquote>Wouldnt it be a better system to adapt the football system entirely?

A loss is a loss, so points remain points, but give every team a overall RoundRatio for the season... 
+1 on the ratio for every cap won. 
-1 on the ratio for every cap lost.
Making the RR the distinction between teams that are equal on points.

So losing a game 5-4 5-4 will still give you 0 points, but will only affect your RR with -2, instead of -10 if you lost it 5-0 5-0.

That way, points would still be the deciding factor of the div rank, but if teams are equal on points, the RR will decide who takes the top spot. 

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/PremRR.JPG">Prem example</a>

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/Div5BRR.JPG">Example of random div with about 50% of total matches played</a>

This way, we can also skip the first week of playoffs, where normally only teams equal on points play to decide their div rank, making that one game in that one week count for their entire season, instead of making every game they played in the entire season count in that scoring, which this RR system will do.</blockquote>
this. Just make A/D maps count for double round diff (so 2-0 on gpit counts for +4)]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:57:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by califax</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=343865</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Wouldnt it be a better system to adapt the football system entirely?

A loss is a loss, so points remain points, but give every team a overall RoundRatio for the season... 
+1 on the ratio for every cap won. 
-1 on the ratio for every cap lost.
Making the RR the distinction between teams that are equal on points.

So losing a game 5-4 5-4 will still give you 0 points, but will only affect your RR with -2, instead of -10 if you lost it 5-0 5-0.

That way, points would still be the deciding factor of the div rank, but if teams are equal on points, the RR will decide who takes the top spot. 

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/PremRR.JPG">Prem example</a>

<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36930036/Div5BRR.JPG">Example of random div with about 50% of total matches played</a>

This way, we can also skip the first week of playoffs, where normally only teams equal on points play to decide their div rank, making that one game in that one week count for their entire season, instead of making every game they played in the entire season count in that scoring, which this RR system will do.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:38:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stwn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=342669</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from JimmyBreeze</i>
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Yep. Simplicity is a wonderful thing.</blockquote>
The only difficult thing in this would be actually creating it which is also the biggest reason this is a dead idea, I doubt ETF2L has the capacity to do this seeing as they have a lot of other things to do which have a higher priority =C
its very simple in itself though]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:21:07 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by JimmyBreeze</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=342667</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Oxy</i>
		<blockquote>This whole thread is exactly the reason we should leave it how it is.</blockquote>

Yep. Simplicity is a wonderful thing.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:05:02 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stwn</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=342663</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
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Ignore the fact they were dropped - for a good comparisson you need to calc the 'normal' points as well though.</blockquote>
wat]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:53:35 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Dummy</i>
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no pcws tonight so ill get busy on them even though it seems pointless as people are against this, 99% at least
how in the world am i supposed to calculate results with dropped teams though &#62;&#60;?</blockquote>

Ignore the fact they were dropped - for a good comparisson you need to calc the 'normal' points as well though.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:41:45 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stwn</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Spike Himself</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

Ending 2nd in a league/cup is related to the score of one particular game how?

Also how are those tables doing?</blockquote>
no pcws tonight so ill get busy on them even though it seems pointless as people are against this, 99% at least
how in the world am i supposed to calculate results with dropped teams though &#62;&#60;?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:07:46 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Dummy</i>
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? by that logic;
Final of the football world cup, 2nd place team lost but still got lots of emone, so is that a childs sport for you =p?</blockquote>

Ending 2nd in a league/cup is related to the score of one particular game how?

Also how are those tables doing?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:01:50 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by stwn</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from SiTeHBu0mbb</i>
		<blockquote>Losing is still losing,
be it with 5-0 or 5-4..
Otherwise it's like playing sports for children: Ah you lost but you still get a something, a
'special' prize.

Point being, teams themselves should make proper judgements of their games, if you lose 5-4 due to bad communication and got backcapped, thats meant as a learning moment, whereas with the proposed new rules most would just think ahh well we still got some points.</blockquote>
? by that logic;
Final of the football world cup, 2nd place team lost but still got lots of emone, so is that a childs sport for you =p?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:56:30 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by SiTeHBu0mB</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18852/page-4/?recent=347736#post=342646</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Losing is still losing,
be it with 5-0 or 5-4..
Otherwise it's like playing sports for children: Ah you lost but you still get a something, a
'special' prize.

Point being, teams themselves should make proper judgements of their games, if you lose 5-4 due to bad communication and got backcapped, thats meant as a learning moment, whereas with the proposed new rules most would just think ahh well we still got some points.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:22:34 +0200</pubDate>
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