Like it or not, you're working on the assumption that I am responsible for whatever you conceive to be the problem. In order to carry on a constructive discussion, you need to know the facts. I gave you the facts, after which you moved your focus to flaws in the system rather than psychological issues with me. That's all great and we appreciate the feedback given in this thread, but please drop the idea that I took things personally because I explained that you shouldn't be focusing on the person that presents the bans.

[...] Bloody hell. Please stop trying to flatten out critcism with these giant, comprehensive essays.

My actual complaint is the manner in which you make the bans so colourfully visible to everyone

so much that people other than those banned complain too!

I'm saying maybe you should let someone else do the dirty work; you complained earlier that you're the one getting all the blame, and you're complaining here as well!

Neither me nor anyone else ever assumed you were the only moderator. There's a big list of staff http://etf2l.org/etf2l/staffright here[/url]. The discontent has generally been aimed at you because the visible moderation is always handled by you.

I made my specific point of complaint in regards to the 'ban lists' to CanFo earlier in the thread; that was my goal, not to start an anti-Ashkan campaign

[...] Well, I thought at least you would know. It has been stated a couple of times that I'm not the only admin reading the forums, or the only one deciding what the punishment will be, or the strictest admin. I thought you had actually read the posts you're complaining about. [...] Hmm, let's see here... 1) Ashkan bans someone and shortly states what he was banned for and how long. 2) A bunch of people who don't know the rules, previous ban history and have no trust for admins start complaining in private, in IRC and in the thread. 3) The ones to complain outside the thread are given an elaborate explanation and now accept the ban. 4) They tell the admins that they should say that in the thread too, so people know exactly why he was banned like that and stop complaining. 5) The admins ask Ashkan to post in the thread as soon as possible. 6) As requested by community members, Ashkan wastes an hour of studying to give an elaborate explanation in the thread and in private. And what does that sum up to? "you give a speech about herp they were naughty, derp they were banned before" [...] Another way of putting it would be: "Please do not derail this thread further. My best suggestion is to contact an admin on IRC in order to discuss any complaints or questions." And the way I usually put it: "If you have any questions or complaints, please contact an admin: http://etf2l.org/etf2l/support/ " [...] Why should we let someone else take the hit? As I said in my last post, I don't take anything personally. The problem is when someone says that he wants to improve the forum and our moderation, but does so under the false assumptions that I am the only moderator, that I always decide what punishment will be handed out, and that I'm stricter than everyone else. When you're having a discussion, you need to base it on facts, not illogical assumptions. I don't think any admin would have problems moderating the forums. For every loud-mouth derailing threads and throwing around insults, there's a person adding admins to Steam or messaging them on IRC, showing support and where the silent majority stands. [...] That is correct, we've had a bunch of complaints about not being elaborate enough.

Why should we let someone else take the hit? As I said in my last post, I don't take anything personally. The problem is when someone says that he wants to improve the forum and our moderation, but does so under the false assumptions that I am the only moderator, that I always decide what punishment will be handed out, and that I'm stricter than everyone else. When you're having a discussion, you need to base it on facts, not illogical assumptions.

Admins are admins, they do what they think is right. Get over it. Don't like it? Go cry to yourself in the toilet...

TL;DR: I am glad to see people get banned for inappropriate behaviour. The current way of moderating the forums has improved a lot lately. And ashkan, you are often the "bad guy" who posts reasons and ban lengths... But one has to do it, because it is the best way to handle it. Otherwise we would look at the all so evil "gestapo admins". (That comment made me lol irl. :D) Anyways... good job admins. Im totally fine with the moderation.

[...] They should always be enforced, at least when they get pointed out. when 1 person gets banned for swearing in 1 thread, and in the very same thread someone else says something of a similar nature and nothing happens, it kinda defeats the point..

[...] Would you prefer rules not being enforced at all? Like come on :/

[...] Id prefer them to be enforced all the time...

[...] Would you prefer rules not being enforced at all? Like come on :/

[...] thing is, a lot of people can't be bothered posting on here anymore simply because the rules aren't enforced consistently enough, and half of the time 1 person will get banned/warned for something, and someone else won't. Shouldn't have sweared etc