ETF2L – Latest activity in “Rule proposal: acceptable match times”

ETF2L – Latest activity in “Rule proposal: acceptable match times” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/ Reply by califax https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-4/?recent=343848#post=343848 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=343848 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:33:37 +0200 Reply by dodgydogman https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-4/?recent=343848#post=339100 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=339100 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:15:37 +0200 Reply by Oxy https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-4/?recent=343848#post=339086 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=339086 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:35:50 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-4/?recent=343848#post=338227 Quoted from Heffron

Liking this new rule proposal. Except make it 20:00 CET to 22:00 CET maybe.

Which rule do you mean exactly? Guidelines how to set the default dates exist for the admins (and are public for a few days now, e.g. here http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-18475/ ) so you can already be sure that you will not be forced to start at other times than 20.00 - 21.30. I do not fancy the idea to limit the time in which teams have to schedule. If both teams agree, they can play whenever they want. I could imagine something similar like the server rule 5.2 if you are unhappy with the promise that you do not have to play at unusual times if you really can not.

5.2 European server recommended The ETF2L is a European League, you cannot force opponents to play on non-European servers. We strongly recommend using servers located central in Europe, such as the Netherlands or Germany.

e.g. like

1.1 ETF2L Time zone = CET/CEST ETF2L announces all times in either Central Europe Time (CET) or Central European Summer Time (CEST). All matches have to be entered in CET/CEST. A clock displaying the current time can be found on the homepage. [Link] The ETF2L is a European League, you cannot force opponents to play at unusual times for Europeans. Usual playtimes for Europeans are from 20.00 to 21.30 CET/CEST.

]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338227 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:51:12 +0200 Reply by Heffron https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338225 Quoted from jonii

Tbh I don't get why some people think it's a dickish move to use the argument "etf2l is a EUROPEAN league"..It's a fact.

+1 Quoted from atmo

[...] Maybe you should use a merc.

We will always try to schedule our matches on days and at times when we have our full lineup available :) Just makes more sense. If we absolutely can't agree with the other team (as is the case right now) there's always the default date. Sometimes that doesn't work for them, sometimes it doesn't for us. :) Quoted from Spike Himself

btw can we stop referring to the 'offenders' as 'russians'? It could very well be an English team that can only play in the mornings. Same concept applies.

Or those damn Dutch! :P On a side note, now I WANT to play at 6 AM. But yeah, it's the same really. Why bother joining a league if you can't play when 99% of all teams play? Quoted from Toasty

Also to oxy You could just make 1 div called russian, and in this div only russians will be allowed to compete, every russian team will be in here and will have to battle eachother atleast once. Problem solved.

I lol'd pretty hard :)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338225 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:21:46 +0200 Reply by Vali https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338221 Quoted from Spike Himself

Because, if both teams agree, it's perfectly okay to play at 6 in the morning.

Nobody here is bitching about a team approaching them and asking to play a time outside of 20:00-22:00CET (or whatever). People complain about the times when a team ask and then go on to refuse normal matchtimes and flame or are just a nightmare to schedule with. Adding such a rule obviously isn't forcing people to only play at those times, just save a lot of hassle for when communication breaks down.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338221 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:45:38 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338218 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338218 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:25:54 +0200 Reply by Spike Himself https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338217 Quoted from Vali

[...] Why not just add a rule that outlines the basises on which the default dates are made anyway? Formally ruling out pre-20CET, post-22CET and friday/saturday as "reasonable" scheduling times would prevent a lot of scheduling headaches by placing expectations on teams and giving something concrete that people can appeal to without needing to run to admins.

Because, if both teams agree, it's perfectly okay to play at 6 in the morning.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338217 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:21:53 +0200 Reply by Sneis https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338214 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338214 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:09:58 +0200 Reply by Vali https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338211 Quoted from CanFo

If you can not agree on a schedule, just wait for the default date.

Why not just add a rule that outlines the basises on which the default dates are made anyway? Formally ruling out pre-20CET, post-22CET and friday/saturday as "reasonable" scheduling times would prevent a lot of scheduling headaches by placing expectations on teams and giving something concrete that people can appeal to without needing to run to admins.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338211 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:55:06 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338201 European TF2 League, not the Russian TF2 league which means, that teams from all over Europe (and maybe some Asian and African teams) are seeded together in the same divisions. As far as I know there are Russian leagues where mostly Russian teams play.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338201 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:02:37 +0200 Reply by Ghostface https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338200 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338200 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:52:32 +0200 Reply by Loonycake https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338196 Quoted from dauk

[...] just get a better timezone

Do u honestly think i said it seriously?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338196 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:13:19 +0200 Reply by Dauk https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338194 Quoted from Toasty

[...] It will gain us nothing? this thread was made due to russians causing a nuesance, it will make several people happy if there was no russians in etf2l. Im not saying no good russians excist cos i know several russians who are nice people and who are actually not complaining that they have to play at akward times because they knew that when they signed up for a team on the site. [...] and why is that? [...] Agree completely, well they probably talk with eachother in the russian community but.

just get a better timezone]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338194 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:11:53 +0200 Reply by pendum https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18524/page-3/?recent=343848#post=338193 Quoted from Oxy

[...]select few that always cause problems.

I must be very lucky since 49/50 of the russians i meet are idiots.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18524&post=338193 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:10:21 +0200