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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;Ladder?&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332986</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Im not promoting clanbase. I know they got a good working ladder-system. But other then that, it's a shit website.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 13:22:05 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by evd_-</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332984</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Andee</i>
		<blockquote>If you want to implement a new ladder system, then maybe look at clanbase? They always had a good ladder system working. I see they are starting a new TF2 ladder and are looking for TF2 admins since recently :) Might be interesting to join forces with them.

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=360302</blockquote>

if people cant work out esl, their heads will explode if they go anywhere near clanbase....worst site ive ever used in my life.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 13:03:56 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Noeandee</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332972</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[If you want to implement a new ladder system, then maybe look at clanbase? They always had a good ladder system working. I see they are starting a new TF2 ladder and are looking for TF2 admins since recently :) Might be interesting to join forces with them.

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=360302]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:43:29 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by weaselo</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332961</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Skyride</i>
		<blockquote>Let me rephrase this, you have a solution (a 6v6 ladder) and you're attempting to find a problem that it solves.</blockquote>

Problem: We don't have a 6v6 ladder :D

Nah, i personally wouldn't use the ladder, however it would make admins lives a lot easier regarding promotion requests, as pcws don't count]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 03:23:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by adam-skyride</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332960</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Let me rephrase this, you have a solution (a 6v6 ladder) and you're attempting to find a problem that it solves.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 03:19:39 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Kevinke</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332869</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[+1]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:18:22 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by lolage</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332861</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would also be in big favour of a ladder. I'm getting tired of playing mixes from tf.wars/having the hassle of trying to find teams only on there.

+1 to ladder!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:58:40 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Panromir</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332859</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[What Monkeh said.

A ladder would be great.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:52:59 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332752</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Ghostface</i>
		<blockquote>

You tell 'em, girl!</blockquote>

Shut up and come penetrate me you hunky chunk of Romanian man love you!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:56:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Ghostface</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332749</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Monkeh</i>
		<blockquote>There has been a hell of a lot of new teams formed in the past weeks, lots of which have players registered for 1 day, 10 days etc.  I bet these teams would appreciate some ladder matches to:

a) Get some official match practice as we all know official's &#62; pcw's, and 
b) Get used to submitting results on the site

Can't see any drawback to having a ladder (with longer kick time) except a bit more admin work...now I say a bit, it's probably a lot now I think of it, but you have people willing to help out.</blockquote>


You tell 'em, girl!]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:51:21 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332743</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[There has been a hell of a lot of new teams formed in the past weeks, lots of which have players registered for 1 day, 10 days etc.  I bet these teams would appreciate some ladder matches to:

a) Get some official match practice as we all know official's &#62; pcw's, and 
b) Get used to submitting results on the site

Can't see any drawback to having a ladder (with longer kick time) except a bit more admin work...now I say a bit, it's probably a lot now I think of it, but you have people willing to help out.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:40:24 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tajpan</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332535</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I would really see the ladder back, as Spike said - it's better to arrange a game for a sheduled date and time than sitting on IRC whole time even for lower div teams.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:56:36 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Setlet</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332531</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Make the ladders so that you don't need status or scoreboard ss's.

And make a "ladder team" so you can maybe make a new team just for ladder but still playing in a serious 6vs6 team in a regular season.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:35:58 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Dukermons</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-2/?recent=332986#post=332529</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[I think this thread shows there is interest in a ladder.  To look at some points made in posts here, having divisional ladders is probably not going to work, maybe sets of divs but it seems pointless as the ladder will end up having the best teams at the top and worst teams at the bottom, so a bit pointless imho.

Encouraging teams to use the ladder for pcw's is a great idea, not only makes it a more 'serious' game and thefore more use as practice, but it's easy enough to organise too.

I see no reason why we shouldn't have a ladder system in place, it gives new teams some much needed experience and other teams some 'serious mode' practice games, which is all good.

If help to admin is required I can also help out, I think you recieved my email a while back...

Restart the ladder, make it a 3 month drop and see where it goes...please?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:22:00 +0200</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Spike Himself</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18242/page-1/?recent=332986#post=332527</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[David: That requires effort by the teams involved. It'd be "play a pcw" versus "play a pcw and upload the screenshots". There has to be something to be gained.

For lower div teams, having a ladder scoreboard is enough award to keep playing (in my experience - see TC match history).

For higher divs it could, with a few adjustments and without any effort required, be a good alternative to sitting on irc all day long trying to schedule a game for the night.

If it's not easier than what already exists, or does not provide any benefits, people won't use it.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 15:20:34 +0200</pubDate>
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