ETF2L – Latest activity in “[S10] Scheduling System Feedback Thread!” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/ Reply by Shabbaman https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-3/?recent=332210#post=332210 Quoted from RaCio
Well, one of the advantages is that it's easier to put a default date on a preferred date earlier in the week (Monday/Tuesday) now. At what point would you want to see teams getting a warning?
If it takes them over a week to respond to a challenge or date proposal. Quoted from kaidus
They don't want fixed dates because then if one team reveals they can't play the default date, it makes default win hunting very easy.
This. For instance, there are teams that prefer to play on sunday. A couple of seasons ago the default date you'd end up with would usually be on a sunday, so the teams that'd play on a sunday would just not respond to a proposal or challenge. So if you don't want to play on a sunday you'd have to put a lot of effort in getting your opponent to agree on a date that's not the default date. I'm glad that the default date is now usually just the date that's proposed by one of the teams, so the team that has put some effort in scheduling the match is "rewarded". Unfortunately there are teams who only put some effort in scheduling AFTER a default date is set :/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332210 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:01:06 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-3/?recent=332210#post=332146 Quoted from Mark
[...] Fair enough. I meant people rescheduled once they had received the default date.
That might be the case for the higher divisions but I havent observed this much in the lower ones.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332146 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 02:29:14 +0200 Reply by honeymustard https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-3/?recent=332210#post=332144 Quoted from CanFo
[...]How come that we do not want fixed default dates? - Personally, I do not like them. If one team can not play on the default date the other team can force them to play on it anyway (if they do not have a wildcard left) and abuse the system. With customised default dates you can still leave a message on the match page with some proposals that would work for your team and it is unlikely that you will get a default date for a different day. The manual system has proven itself in the past (although it is a high workload for the admins). I do not understand what you mean with your last sentence. In the past, many teams in the ETF2L actually played on the default date.
Fair enough. I meant people rescheduled once they had received the default date.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332144 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 02:11:10 +0200 Reply by kaidus https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-3/?recent=332210#post=332096 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332096 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 21:26:38 +0200 Reply by Enef https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332094 Quoted from CanFo
[...] That would only be possible with a fixed default default date and we do not want that.
why don't we want that? Surely that's the safest way. That way people can't suggest unreasonable times constantly and be refused, playing for the hope that they'll get a default date on their own terms.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332094 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 21:17:34 +0200 Reply by Sideshow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332091 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332091 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 21:10:08 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332089 Quoted from Mark
[...]How come? Remember most people don't actually play on the default date.
How come that it would only work with a fixed default day? - Because in my opinion it is not possible for a program to filter all information from the match pages to set a default date that is suitable for both teams. That would only work with the official schedule proposals. And even if it was, the program would make mistakes and people would want to abolish it. How come that we do not want fixed default dates? - Personally, I do not like them. If one team can not play on the default date the other team can force them to play on it anyway (if they do not have a wildcard left) and abuse the system. With customised default dates you can still leave a message on the match page with some proposals that would work for your team and it is unlikely that you will get a default date for a different day. The manual system has proven itself in the past (although it is a high workload for the admins). I do not understand what you mean with your last sentence. In the past, many teams in the ETF2L actually played on the default date.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332089 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 21:02:55 +0200 Reply by honeymustard https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332083 Quoted from CanFo
[...] That would only be possible with a fixed default default date and we do not want that.
How come? Remember most people don't actually play on the default date. Also a small deposit (or entry fee) for teams (at least on the higher level) would be good, I don't think that many people would object to it. Worth thinking about anyway.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332083 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:51:51 +0200 Reply by Sideshow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332078 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332078 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:19:14 +0200 Reply by Severyo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332063 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332063 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:08:40 +0200 Reply by chojje https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332062 Quoted from WARHURYEAH
Deposit of scrap/real money.
]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332062 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:58:46 +0200 Reply by WARHURYEAH https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332061 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332061 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332060 Quoted from Sideshow
Are there any plans to stop the amount of drops we had in s9?
The reason for most teams to drop was that some of their players lost interest in the game. I can not see how the league could do anything about that. Any suggestions?]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332060 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:48:01 +0200 Reply by CannonFodd3r https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332059 Quoted from Mark
How come you don't have it so default dates are set automatically at the start of the week, and then teams are expected to reschedule? Surely that would save the admins a shit ton of effort setting them all.
That would only be possible with a fixed default default date and we do not want that.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332059 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:45:29 +0200 Reply by Sideshow https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-18142/page-2/?recent=332210#post=332054 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=feedback&topic=18142&post=332054 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:36:12 +0200