ETF2L – Latest activity in “Why did valve get rid of dxlevel 7?” https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/ Reply by Animal https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-2/?recent=496180#post=496180 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496180 Thu, 08 May 2014 20:52:24 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-2/?recent=496180#post=496154 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496154 Thu, 08 May 2014 17:16:29 +0200 Reply by freshmeatt https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-2/?recent=496180#post=496148 Quoted from MH
So basically it's safe to say "rip direct x"?
Depends on how bold they are, although I don't see why not. Considering OGL is highly portable, somewhat predictable in terms of progress and, most importantly, open and at least as efficient as DX, the change of technology is only a matter of developers' commitment to learning a new tech. There's also the business side of things, where Microsoft works with graphics vendors to assure the highest performance with DX possible, but competing with corps like Valve working on OGL ain't gonna be that easy anymore.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496148 Thu, 08 May 2014 15:40:44 +0200 Reply by Solo Dolo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-2/?recent=496180#post=496145 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496145 Thu, 08 May 2014 15:26:43 +0200 Reply by AnAkIn_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-2/?recent=496180#post=496140 Quoted from Selek
Very interesting, thanks :) So it shouldn't be too much work to have TF2 run in true OpenGL in Windows, if Valve decided to change it? Sounds like a reasonable way to improve performance to me.
Well, "true OpenGL" might need rewritting large parts of code (which I guess they've done for Source 2), but OpenGL through the translation layer is already possible without too much work AFAIK, I don't know why they don't add the option. Quoted from Popcorp
any downsides for OpenGL? pros and cons of OpenGL and Dx? and fire textures appear if you have mat_specular 0 enable specular and no more fire textures
OpenGL is open source and multiplatform. Direct X isn't. They pretty much have the same features AFAIK. EDIT: BTW, this might be interesting http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496140 Thu, 08 May 2014 14:10:21 +0200 Reply by popcorp https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496127 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496127 Thu, 08 May 2014 10:40:54 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496117 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496117 Thu, 08 May 2014 02:35:52 +0200 Reply by AnAkIn_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496071 Quoted from Selek
How does TF2 run performance-wise in OpenGL? Or is it hard to say across platforms?
TF2 performance is the same or even better with Nvidia cards on Linux. Note that Valve currently converts DirectX calls to OpenGL ones with a translation layer, so I guess a even higher performance would be expected with true OpenGL. (Some non TF2 benchmarks: Ubuntu 14.04 vs Windows 8 with Nvidia: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=geforce_ubuntu14_win81&num=1 AMD performance seem to be pretty much the same between Windows and Linux as well: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeon_1404_win81&num=1 EDIT: I guess these benchmarks actually use OpenGL on Windows as well)]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496071 Wed, 07 May 2014 22:32:14 +0200 Reply by Selektionsfaktor https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496069 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496069 Wed, 07 May 2014 22:13:25 +0200 Reply by Solo Dolo https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496068 Quoted from Lex
Wouldn't Valve also have to make sure everything also works on DX7 (textures, particles, shaders, etc.) as they add new updates? Not everything works even on DX8, e.g. some cosmetics don't have proper textures (replaced by a fire texture).
-dxlevel 81 in the launch options, it fixes the fire textures]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496068 Wed, 07 May 2014 22:10:48 +0200 Reply by MAR5 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496064 Quoted from Lex
Wouldn't Valve also have to make sure everything also works on DX7 (textures, particles, shaders, etc.) as they add new updates? Not everything works even on DX8, e.g. some cosmetics don't have proper textures (replaced by a fire texture).
the fire textures got fixed I think, you could also fix them with a command before iirc]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496064 Wed, 07 May 2014 22:06:24 +0200 Reply by alexk6 https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496061 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496061 Wed, 07 May 2014 21:50:19 +0200 Reply by Lobsteri https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496045 Our games no longer support DirectX 7 as a launch option. Using this can cause crashes. If you are using -dxlevel 70 make sure to remove it from your launch options.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496045 Wed, 07 May 2014 20:37:21 +0200 Reply by popcorp https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496038 generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496038 Wed, 07 May 2014 20:11:27 +0200 Reply by AnAkIn_ https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/customise/topic-28677/page-1/?recent=496180#post=496023 Quoted from Popcorp
tl;dr Dx7 died, expect them to get rid of Dx8 in next few years, most likely when Source 2 gets released
Source 2 will most likely be OpenGL only.]]> generator=rsdiscuss&baseurl=https://staging.etf2l.org&feed=forum&forum=customise&topic=28677&post=496023 Wed, 07 May 2014 19:29:11 +0200