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	<title>ETF2L &#8211; Latest activity in &#8220;ETF2L and UGC Highlander Showmatch: December 27th 19:00 CET / 1:00pm EST&#8221;</title>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bloodis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548634</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Every bet does have its description of the server and map played, but for a simple list all descriptions for the individual bets are listed here: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/527878/saloon-tf-v2-0]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:55:00 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548633</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[where are the descriptions]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:01:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by kKaltUu</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548632</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[all maps have a saloon, the description shows which map it's for.

Did it like that so people can bet on the MAP they want, and to avoid problems if the 5th map isn't played.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:37:02 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Scissors-HL</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548631</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[can someone explain to me why there are like 5 different copies of the same match to bet on on saloon? Isn't it only 2-3 maps?]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:28:28 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Moogi</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548630</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[stfu tomu]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:27:34 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Toregant</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-2/?recent=548634#post=548629</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[salty pyro mains smh]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:18:04 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Goreston</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548621</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[Honestly, I think the whitelist is pretty good. If it were up to me, the reserve shooter wouldn't be on there, because I think it's pretty much an upgrade from shotgun, but I reckon if I can just kill b4nny with it a couple of times he'll get valve to nerf it, so it's win-win.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:42:45 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Bloodis</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548620</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from draltoady</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

remember when the scout was immune to explosive classes and almost untouchable by hitscan?

mm good times
it's not like increasing the scout's mobility and firepower while removing the need to hard commit to 1v1s except when you can start flying unbalances the class or anything</blockquote>

If the weapon is in fact so OP as you do say so, why did it see use in only 4 matches in Prem for this whole season? Why did every Scout also change back to the normal Scattergun after using Soda Popper then?

Only good thing about the whole weapon was the +reload bug, which, as said was fixed months ago already, so the weapon barely has any use anymore other than to do slightly higher jumps without Winger/Atomizer combo or to 2-shot someone from their backs if they really are unaware of people behind them and never even bother to check out for spies.

It honestly makes me sad to think that UGC bans weapons based on how fun it is to play against them, instead of banning weapons based on how overpowered they actually are.

We could just as well see tomorrow if Soda Popper is really overpowered as you do tell so, hopefully this whole match will be a blast in general.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:03:48 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tseini94</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548618</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from RTC</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

You do realise there's one of the best weapons in the game called the Scattergun that the Scout cannot use whilst running Soda Popper, right?

And I think you're grossly exaggerating the manoeuvrability advantage the Scout gets.</blockquote>
And sodapopper ever only was good because of the  autoreload bug wich was fixed]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 00:14:58 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by RTC</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548617</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from draltoady</i>
		<blockquote>[...]

remember when the scout was immune to explosive classes and almost untouchable by hitscan?

mm good times
it's not like increasing the scout's mobility and firepower while removing the need to hard commit to 1v1s except when you can start flying unbalances the class or anything</blockquote>

You do realise there's one of the best weapons in the game called the Scattergun that the Scout cannot use whilst running Soda Popper, right?

And I think you're grossly exaggerating the manoeuvrability advantage the Scout gets.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:34:47 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by xepherthree</title>
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    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bloodis</i>
		<blockquote><strong>weapons like Soda Popper</strong> and Loch-n-Load however, those things are not OP at all by any chance and still remain banned in UGC, yet I <strong>hardly have ever seen them making any difference in Highlander.</strong></blockquote>

remember when the scout was immune to explosive classes and almost untouchable by hitscan?

mm good times
it's not like increasing the scout's mobility and firepower while removing the need to hard commit to 1v1s except when you can start flying unbalances the class or anything]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:12:59 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Tseini94</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548612</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Bloodis</i>
		<blockquote>Don't see anything bad about unlock choices, although banning Machina is kind of silly when you just should never even stay in straight line with your allies in sniper sightlines, let alone even be in them in the first place.

Good choice to allow weapons like Soda Popper and Loch-n-Load however, those things are not OP at all by any chance and still remain banned in UGC, yet I hardly have ever seen them making any difference in Highlander.</blockquote>
Machina also makes 174dmg bodyshots and in payload maps you barely need noscopes,its kinda direct update but none uses it]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:15:57 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by bobbler</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548611</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[as a forewarning, we went with a spawn system change in this version that's pretty experimental - if it turns out to be bad/heavily disliked, we'll revert to the old system or something similar so, if the consensus in generally negative, don't use that judgement coming into the next season]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:46:41 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Metal Gear</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548610</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Useless</i>
		<blockquote>Shit maps with even worse unlock choices, what more could one ask for!</blockquote>

You could always organise your own showmatches.]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:02:05 +0100</pubDate>
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    	    <title>Reply by Lurkki2</title>
    	    <link>https://staging.etf2l.org/forum/community/topic-32426/page-1/?recent=548634#post=548607</link>
    	    <description><![CDATA[<i>Quoted from Muuki</i>
		<blockquote>what do i get when we win??? no prizes???</blockquote>

you can throw the match as it's not covered by the ETF2L rules]]></description>
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    	    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:32:29 +0100</pubDate>
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